{"id":55654,"date":"2019-12-08T09:00:26","date_gmt":"2019-12-08T08:00:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cms.munich-startup.net\/?p=55654"},"modified":"2021-03-15T10:17:35","modified_gmt":"2021-03-15T09:17:35","slug":"veronika-riederle-interview","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cms.munich-startup.net\/en\/55654\/veronika-riederle-interview\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview with Demodesk founder Veronika Riederle"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"entry-content\">\n<p><strong>Only at the end of October Demodesk was able to successfully <a href=\"\/en\/54169\/seed-financing-demodesk\/\">Seed financing round of $2.3 million<\/a> The Munich-based startup, which has developed a screen-sharing platform for virtual customer interaction, was founded in 2017 by Veronika Riederle and Alex Popp. We wanted to know how she got into founding a company, if she has any role models, and if she thinks more women should start businesses in Germany.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em><strong>Munich Startup:<\/strong><\/em><strong> What motivated you to start the company? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" src=\"https:\/\/cms.munich-startup.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/Veronika-Riederle-300x300.png\" alt=\"Veronika Riederle\" class=\"wp-image-55659\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cms.munich-startup.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/Veronika-Riederle-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/cms.munich-startup.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/Veronika-Riederle-220x220.png 220w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><figcaption>Our interview partner Veronika Riederle. <\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Veronika Riederle:<\/em> Ever since I can remember, I have loved building things and solving problems. <a href=\"https:\/\/demodesk.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\" (opens in new tab)\">Demo desk<\/a> I was already working on a few other startup ideas. Then my co-founder Alex came along, and I immediately realized that we were a great fit. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>M<\/em>unich Startup: Did you have any role models when you founded your business? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Veronika Riederle:<\/em> Definitely Elon Musk, he is an absolute visionary.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>Munich Startup:<\/em> When and where do you get the best ideas? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Veronika Riederle:<\/em> In conversations with my team. Through discussion and comparing arguments, I usually come up with ideas and conclusions that I wouldn&#039;t have come up with on my own. The more diverse the team and the more varied the perspectives, the better.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>Munich Startup:<\/em> Your greatest talent? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Veronika Riederle:<\/em> It depends on the context. Professionally, I would say that I&#039;m very adaptable to situations and get along well with all types of people. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Good time to start a business<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>Munich Startup:<\/em> The biggest mistake you have ever made? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Veronika Riederle:<\/em> Phew, there are a lot. It&#039;s likely that you can&#039;t control everything; sometimes luck is involved.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>Munich Startup: <\/em>Your secret weapon when networking? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Veronika Riederle: <\/em>Approach other people authentically, openly and without prejudice. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>Munich Startup:<\/em> Does it seem like a good time to start a business?<\/strong>?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Veronika Riederle:<\/em> Definitely! Most people here in Germany live in a golden cage compared to some other parts of the world. We have so many opportunities here.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Starting a business is easy \u2014 NOT!<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>Munich Startup:<\/em> The three prejudices you have encountered in your everyday life as a founder?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Veronika Riederle:<\/em> 1. Starting a business is easy 2. The success of the company depends on how good you are 3. The idea is the decisive factor for success.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>Munich Startup:<\/em> What\u2019s on top of your desk right now?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Veronika Riederle<\/em>: Hire a product manager!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>Munich Startup:<\/em> Do you think it is important that more women start businesses in Germany? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Veronika Riederle: <\/em>I think that more people in Germany should generally have the courage to start a business\u2014whether they are men or women. 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